Mailbag 41: Elbow Smash

Posted February 22, 2007

This week, read about the original plan for Gundam ZZ, which included a character named Elbow Smash (!). Also, a Macross question.

Zachary Jones asks:
Lately I've been having a personal Macross revival and I've gotten to finally see DYRL? and Flashback 2012. However, with finally seeing these it's gotten me wondering about the fate of my favorite characters as well as some earlier history. Where is the Macross from, who built it and why? And then after 2012 when the Megaroad launches where did it go, and did it ever return to Earth? Also, what was the ultimate fate of Minmay, Hikaru, Misa, Max and everyone else who left? Thank you very much and I cant wait for the upcoming Mospeada updates.

Chris responds:
Unfortunately, the fate of the Megaroad is one of those eternal questions for Macross fans. Reportedly, franchise header Shoji Kawamori has said that it disappeared and was never seen again. Kawamori has also reportedly said that he's done with the story of Hikaru, Misa, etc, meaning we probably won't see another animated story about them. In addition, the original voice actor for Hikaru, Arihiro Hase, died in 1996. Although the role of Hikaru has been recast for recent video games, Hase's passing is probably another hurdle.
As for Max, he was never on the Megaroad, but he later commanded the Macross 7, so you can see him, Milia and Exedol in that series. As for the SDF-1 Macross its origins differ greatly between Macross and Robotech. In Robotech, it was built by Robotech Master Zor and serves as a source for Protoculture energy. In Macross, it's just a ship built by the Zentradi's mortal enemy, the Supervision Army.


Colin Barton asks:
1. Char's disappearance at the end of the original version of Zeta Gundam has always confused me. During the final battle it seemed like he didn't put much effort into the struggle and vanished from the battlefield without so much as a wave to the Argama crew. Do you think it's reasonable to think that perhaps he had already made the decisions that led him down the path of Char's Counterattack at this point? That he decided to sacrifice Kamille to his fate and retreat to plan the next step? The Titans were defeated and he didn't stand to gain much by annihilating the Neo Zeon forces that he would surely already foresee the need for. Kamille couldn't prove to be anything but an obstacle later on; is it crazy to think that Char betrayed him after the fall of the Titans?

2. Konami did a game back in the early days of the PS2 called Ring of
Red
. The biggest appeal of the game were the mechs which were all diesel driven robots crafted out of WWII-era tank parts. I only just heard about this game a week ago and I wondered if the series went anywhere in Japan (it didn't seem to do so well here in the States).

Chris responds:
1. Some of Char's statements in Zeta Gundam eerily foreshadow his beliefs in Char's Counterattack, but I don't think he was already planning things at that point. We don't know exactly what happened to Char after his battle with Haman and why he didn't return to the Argama. There's no evidence at all to show that he betrayed Kamille. In fact, during their last scene together in Gryps, even though Kamille is willing to sacrifice himself for the cause, Char wants him to live. We know from prior experience that Char is perfectly capable of backstabbing people, but if he wanted to do it to Kamille, it would've been more obvious. It's clear that Char's motives in CCA are driven by the events of Zeta and ZZ. Watching the First Neo Zeon War from the sidelines, he probably wasn't pleased with Haman's power grab, or how most of AEUG did nothing and became part of the establishment with the Federation.

2. It doesn't seem like Ring of Red went anywhere. In the early days of any new console, there's plenty of titles that are hit-or-miss. If they don't manage to become a hit franchise after the first game, they usually never do (although Microsoft certainly tried hard with two-time failure Blinx the Time Sweeper).


Volnixshin asks:
1. Personally which Gundam do you think is cooler, Double X or Freedom? (foolish question I know, but I'd like to know your thoughts^^)

2. Now, I don't know much about you or MAHQ, but I'm pretty sure some person named Burke once ran this place. What made you decide to take over, and what types of things do you find difficult, and or easy. From there I was also wondering how you got interested in Gundam, and anime.

3. If you were asked to, would write an article on Gundam and/or other Robot anime for a magazine, say Newtype USA?

Chris responds:
1. Yes, it's a foolish question, but if you must know, I'd say Double X. I didn't care for Freedom at all when the design first premiered in 2003, but it has grown on me since then.

2. The entirety of MAHQ's Mecha section once existed as The Mecha Domain, a site run by Burke Rukes until 2001. The Mecha Domain was hosted on Gundam.com, but it was forced to shut down due to high traffic. I was acquainted with Burke and offered to take over the site. He handed over all his materials to us, and we slowly incorporated the entire site into MAHQ. Keeping up with a Gundam show when it's on air can be pretty difficult, as well as tracking down lineart and specs. For the last part, you can read more in the Robot Roundtable.

3. Several years ago, I wrote a few Gundam articles for Anime Insider (two of which were published). Much of Newtype USA's content is translated from the Japanese version, but if I was approached I probably would, depending on the subject matter.


Dunpeal asks:
1. What was the planned ending for ZZ before the rewrites?

2. What is that ship over Argama in the last scene of episode 50 of Zeta?

3. What happened with Axis Zeon at the end of the third Zeta movie?

Chris responds:
1. The original outline for Gundam ZZ was vastly different, and so different that even Zeta's ending was affected by the change. In the original plan, Emma wasn't killed and was still around in ZZ. According to a translation by RGZ-91, the original version of ZZ began the same way. Judau is a bad boy and a member a bike gang called Gigaa. He steals the Zeta Gundam and is recruited by Haman's independent force Manivaring to destroy the Argama, but Bright and Emma persuade him not to. Afterwards, members of Gigaa join the crew and don't get along well. Bright meets with Haman and refuses to allow the return of the Zabi family. Gigaa then takes control of the Argama, and with Char's help, Bright and Emma retake Shangri-La from the Neo Zeon. Somewhere along the line, Kamille goes missing.

The Federation hands over Side 3 to Haman like they did in the broadcast version, and Bright is informed that Char is supposed to watch Haman. Judau is jailed for punching a Federation official about that, but he's rescued by Amuro, Hayato and Beltorchika. The source material is unclear, but Kamille is doing something in Hong Kong. At Side 3, Haman purges dissenters and plots to conquer Earth. Judau and Roux infiltrate Haman's colony and find that Char isn't there, so Judau makes a failed attempt to kidnap Mineva and stop Haman's plans. Haman's forces move toward Earth, and Char orchestrates the assassinations of all top Federation officials. The Federation passes legislation about space migration, and Char joins with Haman. He then kills her just before the Earth attack, and Bright rescues Mineva. During the final battle, Judau makes a statement that being selfish won't solve problems, and Char's actions are selfish. Afterward, Judau joins a Mars exploration team and Mineva goes to Earth.

There are some missing fragments in the translation, but it's a solid overview of just how different the original plan for ZZ was. Since Char was pushed out of the story, Glemy became the stand-in who would betray Haman. This version of the story also shows a greater presence for Kamille, as well as Amuro. Had this been produced instead of what we got, the future of the Universal Century could've been very different.

2. The ship you're referring to is a Musai Kai class.

3. At the end of Love is the Pulse of the Stars, Haman makes an agreement for Mineva to go down to Earth. The Axis Zeon pull back from the Earth Sphere to wait for things to cool down. This may seem strange to some, but there is a reason. In the TV series, the AEUG's victory over the Titans is a Pyrrhic one, and they're in a perilous position at the start of ZZ that Haman takes advantage of. However, the movie trilogy ends on a more positive note and gives the impression that the AEUG suffered less losses against the Titans and were firmly in control. At least, that's how it seemed when I watched it.


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