Mailbag 43: Jupiter Attacks!

Posted March 8, 2007

Jovians are invading Earth, and they don't like you! Read on for more in today's Mailbag.

Frank Omarr asks:
1. After watching all of Turn A Gundam (a few years ago), I noticed there
weren't any Newtypes to be seen. Usually Tomino tries to throw as many in as possible when it comes to Gundam. So did all the Newtypes die out? Or did I just overlook something really obvious?

2. This is probably just a minor nitpick, but why is it in the Gundam F91
movie and Victory Gundam TV series, is space just a plain blue background with triangles consisting of a lot of stars? It only seems to look that way inside mobile suit cockpits, but outside them, space looks a lot more "normal."

3.Finally, I've been watching the Zeta Gundam TV series. I just wanted to
know the final fate of the three Gundam Mark II units.

Chris responds:
1. There are no Newtypes in Turn A Gundam. I'm sure it was a deliberate choice on Tomino's part. If Turn A is a far future UC, it's possible they died off or left with the colonies long ago.

2. Although this is never explained in any series, the views you see inside the cockpits are not real time images. The many cameras on a suit record visual data, and a computer generated image is displayed in the cockpit. The way everything is animated, it looks like it's real, but it's not. The same goes for star fields.

3. The Mark II that remains in AEUG service is heavily damaged at the end of Zeta when Emma fights Yazan. Afterwards, it's fully repaired in Gundam ZZ and used by various pilots. It survives until the end of the First Neo Zeon War, when it's heavily damaged (along with the Zeta) while fighting the Quin Mantha inside Axis. Given all the explosions occurring after the battle, it and the Zeta are considered destroyed. One of the Mark II units was disassembled to serve as spare parts for the service unit, and the other was sent to Anaheim to decipher the secrets of the movable frame and other technologies.


ScotticusMaximus asks:
1. After fighting for its life in the One Year War, the EF basically rolls over and takes it for the next 70 odd years. What happened to cause such a drastic turnaround?

2. I understand that Gundam Wing is more or less a retelling of the UC universe up to Char's Counterattack. Zechs Marquise being a Char clone, the Big Nasty Object thrown at Earth at the end, and Mariemaia Khushrenada being a stand in for Mineva Lao Zabi. Are there any other big ones besides those?

3. Could the V-Dash Gundam be considered a spiritual descendant of the Guncannon?

4. Is there any information on what happened to the Alex after 0080?

5. In UC Gundam, do they ever show a mobile suit having to refuel? I mention this because it seems like mobile suits have a long operational time (i.e. the Zeon holdouts shown in 0083 and ZZ).

6. Is there anything out there describing F91 if it would have gotten its 52 episode run?

Chris responds:
1. The One Year War was a catastrophic event for the Earth Sphere, so you could argue that the Federation never fully recovered from its effects. Also, given the massive bureaucracy, it seems those in power were more concerned about themselves than with anything that happens in space. This is clearly seen in ZZ when the Federation leadership sits by and does nothing while Haman drops a colony on Dublin. In CCA, you've got the Federation naively believing it can buy peace by selling Axis to Char. It's also illustrated in F91 when the Federation dismisses the Crossbone Vanguard rebellion as just angry colonists acting up.

2. I think you've mentioned most of the common story elements between UC and Wing.

3. I don't really see how. The optional Dash pack just provides extra thrusters and cannons, while the Guncannon is a dedicated artillery suit.

4. Not as far as I know. Given that the One Year War ended days after the Alex was damaged, I doubt the Federation bothered to repair it. However, the Alex and the GM Kai served as part of basis for the GM Custom's design, so it lived on in that aspect.

5. While ships have been shown refueling, I don't recall mobile suits being refueled on screen. You mention 0083 and ZZ as examples of seemingly long operational times, but you have to keep in mind that those episodes don't play out in real time. The suits could have easily been refueled off screen between scenes.

6. No, there's no information on what the full version of F91 would've been like. However, given how closely Victory and Crossbone were produced after F91, I'm sure Tomino probably used some of his F91 ideas in those series.


Mwulf asks:
1. One thing I've noticed about Gundam that's kind have bothered me is that all of the names are backwards... Every character is addressed by his or her forename (first name) which is listed before his or her surname (family) name. Which is completely the opposite of what you find in Japanese. So why is it Kira Yamato instead of Yamato Kira? Amuro Ray instead of Ray Amuro? Kai Shiden instead of Shiden Kai? It's not very important, and most people probably don't care, but it... bothers me.

2. What happened to Neo Zeon after Char's Counterattack? In CCA Neo Zeon controlled several colonies and seemed to be dealing with the Earth Federation as an equal, if not greater power. Following CCA they allied with the EA to prevent Axis from falling, but did the Zeonic colonies retain their sovereignty? I find it hard to believe that Earth could re-assert control over Zeon, but Zeon hardly gets a mention in F91 or V, save for that bizarre rebellion at Mars in the F90 manga.

3. I, like many other avid Western Gundam fans, am stricken with the inability to read Japanese, but am ~incredibly~ interested in reading Tomino's novelizations of Zeta, CCA (Beltorchika's Children), Victory and, especially, his book about Turn-A. There are a plethora of fan-based organizations on the web devoted to translating Japanese manga--often multiple groups translating the same thing--as well as certain novels--the Suzumiya Haruhi, Full Metal Panic, and Twelve Kingdom novels immediately leap to mind. The fanbase for Gundam is huge, so why is it that no one has tried to translate these novels that, barring a miracle, will never appear in English?

4. Before I finish with this last question, Chris, I have to thank you for maintaining this site... it really is an invaluable resource. In many of your episode summaries and reviews and Mailbags you make references to and describe the initial plans/outlines for Gundam series', notably MSG and ZZ. The initial outline you describe for ZZ strikes me as particularly interesting, so I was wondering if there was a site, somewhere, with more detailed descriptions of the Gundams that might-have-been. Does such a thing exist?

Chris responds:
1. Gundam has all sorts of naming quirks. For example, in all the Tomino series, military officers are addressed by rank and first name, rather than rank and last name. Therefore, you have Captain Bright instead of Captain Noa. But in all non-Tomino Gundam, things are referenced normally, such as Ensign Uraki and Ensign Yamato. As to your main question, there's no clear answer. It's the director and voice director's prerogative as to how these things are handled.

2. The Neo Zeon controlled Sweetwater, the makeshift refugee colony. There were many colonies sympathetic to them, but certainly not under their control. In UC 0095, the remnants of Neo Zeon gather under a mysterious masked man named Full Frontal in the Gundam Unicorn novel. But since it just started serialization, we don't have clear picture of what they're doing. In UC 0100, the Republic of Zeon gave up its autonomy and became part of the Federation again. After that, the last mention of Zeon I know of is the Oldsmobile Army in the 0120s.

3. I think you're making the mistake of presuming that the American Gundam fanbase is far bigger than it really is. Are there lots of Gundam fans in the U.S. and Canada? Sure. But not enough to support the franchise, and certainly not as many as seven years ago when Wing premiered. That's not to say there isn't anything to read- we do have Tomino's original Gundam novel trilogy, but that's just a re-release of the 1990 edition with a few updates and name changes. TOKYOPOP is also releasing the SEED novels in English, but I don't see much of a future for UC or other Gundam novels here.

4. Thanks for the comments. As for the outlines of things that never were, those translations by Mark Simmons and RGZ-91 are about all we have in English. This sort of information isn't widely available, probably not even in Japan. We don't know what the full plan for F91 was, or what would have appeared in Gundam X had it run 49 episodes. You can track down the old MSG outline translation that Mark posted on the Gundam Mailing List, but that's about it.


Phantomexe87 asks:
1. Is it ever explained why the Federation has completely ignored Mars for potential colonization? It would seem considerably easier and economically efficient to establish colonies on Mars than to have to build them from scratch in space. I am aware Zeon established a small base there in one manga, but it puzzles me as to why the Federation never set up shop there. Is there a given reason, or were they just content with what they had?

2. What exactly is the Jupiter Empire? I've established they were once known or at least, went under the name of the Jupiter Energy Fleet, but do we know anything more? I always get a very alien vibe from those guys, with their odd and even inhuman mobile suit designs, incredibly advanced technology and they seem to display Newtype abilities. Even the Titans seemed to fear them, or rather Scirocco. So my question I suppose is, do you believe they are just another rebelling space faction, or possibly aliens? It's somewhat unrelated, but in CE Gundam, the first Coordinator, George Glenn also found an alien fossil near Jupiter, I found that interesting, as in many ways, CE parallels UC Gundam.

Chris responds:
1. There's never any explicit reason, but we have to keep in mind that the Federation is a bloated and corrupt bureaucracy. Bureaucracies tend to not do what many would consider easier or economically viable. Despite population growth and space emigration, the Federation stops building colonies early in the UC calendar. They also leave plenty of devastated colonies in ruins after the One Year War and don't bother to do anything about it until the F91 era. So it would seem that they're not too concerned about space development in the colonies, let alone on planets like Mars.

2. The Jupiter Empire forces are the main antagonists of the Crossbone Gundam manga series. They may have bizarre mecha designs, but they're completely human. The Jupiter Energy Fleet is a very powerful group because it provides the helium-3 that is an essential fuel source for all mobile suits and spaceships. Having existed in the shadows for a long time, the Jupiter colonists funded anti-Federation movements like the AEUG. By the time of Crossbone in the 0130s, they plan to conquer Earth because of the harsh conditions. Aside from people like Scirocco, Victory Gundam's Fonse Kagatie of the Zanscare Empire is from Jupiter and is rumored to be somehow related to Jupiter Empire leader Crux Dogatie. But we don't know more than that.


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